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Record Creation: Entered on 27 December 2010.

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First owner: A M P Rizzerts

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2007-03-28 11:37:15 | Roger writes:

Deleted as the car at the German dealer's is no longer claimed to be 885017.

2010-12-27 14:33:22 | Martin writes:

What has happened with the entries for this car?

Why were the details and photos deleted?

Thanks for a short reply - Marting

2010-12-28 08:28:34 | Herman writes:

The car was deleted, because it was a late 1963 model (first title date 31 december 1963)

2010-12-29 19:19:11 | Roger writes:

I'm going to leave this up as a placeholder as this car is destined to be re-entered and re-entered and re-entered until the universe expires. ;) The car which was claimed to be 885017 at the dealer in Germany is apparently not this car.

2010-12-30 05:32:29 | Martin writes:

Well could someone please tell me more about the details which led to the conclusion that the car should not be 885017 (beside the weak fact of the title date - my 61 roadster 8755xx also has a first registration in autuum 1962 but definitely was delivered still in 61)?

Did someone have a look at the documentation (title, German or Austrian "Brief") of the car or did someone speak to the personnel of the dealer? At least on the dealer's webpage it is still claimed that the car should be no. 17......

2011-01-01 15:23:34 | pauls writes:

The dealer was asked, the model year was changed from '61 to '63 and the asking price dropped.

2011-01-02 03:32:45 | Martin writes:

Sorry, the car was offered since 2007 and since then being claimed to be registered first in 1963. I am not sure, but at least here in Germany you will not be able to register a car on new years eve, so I strongly assume that this date is not the real register date.

I will get in contact with the dealer and see, what he says...............

2011-01-03 20:38:59 | Roger writes:

It should be noted also that legitimate experts in early FHCs have all agreed that the car at the dealer is almost certainly not 885017.

2011-01-04 12:45:57 | Martin writes:

Based on which facts? Can you please stop spreading around some vague "statements"? If you bring up such a statement you need also to say who said what based on which facts! And if some "experts" came to your quoted conclusion, on which basis? Did the experts visit the car at the dealer or was it just by looking at the photos and not finding e.g. the outside looks? If so, strangewise also 885019 and 885020 did not or still do not (885019) carry the locks. Conclusion would be, that these cars are also not what they supposed to be?

The next argumetation was about the first registration date.........I know the car since 2003 and more intensively shortly before it was offered. Ever since it was publicly offered with the registration date to be the 31.12.1963 and noone ever cared before! All of a sudden it should be the proof that the car number is incorrect?! You have to admit that this is to weak?! And moreover also the price reduction happened without any change in the data to the car!
This is assumigly a 50 year old car and has crossed the Atlantic twice plus went supposedly through many hands. Coundn't it be that someone mixed up the registration date? And by closely looking at the date, 31.12.1963 - at least in Germany the registration office would never be open on a new years eve - never!
No clue if this is possible in the US?
Maybe (just guessing) it was mixed up, when the car first changed hands or when the car firstly was registered in Germany? And what about 885020? It has also a title date 1962.........

Or maybe the expert saw the windscreen washer bottle, which is definitely later one? But let me tell you that you did not get them in late 90s and early 00s or paid a fortune for them! I have one of the new old stock items at home bought at around these times. And it was poorly glued together and I doubt, that it ever will work!

All in all, I do not understand, what is happening here?! If someone brings up real facts and proofs of the incorrectness of this car, I would be very glad to hear about them. And it would be very valuable for all of us. But just by hearsay and non provision of any facts to give or insist on this statement, this is really unprofessional!

And have anyone had a close look on the car? Maybe it had a new bonnet once before? At least the water rail above the carbs are from the first 500 and the carb linkeague / levers and shafts are from the early cars. Also the fuel tank is an early one from the outside latch cars. And what about the engine and body numbers? The car is matching numbers. Of course you could change them but you also could prove, if they ever has been changed..........

So, now I am waiting for any valuable facts to prove or to support the thesis, that the formerly shown car is not no. 885017! THANKS

2011-01-30 12:12:35 | pauls writes:

Hi Martin,
I'll try to address your comment "All in all, I do not understand, what is happening here?! If someone brings up real facts and proofs of the incorrectness of this car, I would be very glad to hear about them. And it would be very valuable for all of us. But just by hearsay and non provision of any facts to give or insist on this statement, this is really unprofessional!" You are correct we are short on facts and are ASKING for them. Until then the public info provided by the seller is not convincing the car is as described. The comments posted here are intended to protect the unknowing. The car may well be as claimed but until the facts are revealed it should be known that it is being questioned, let the buyer beware. If you have access to the facts please present them.

2011-01-30 12:33:30 | Martin writes:

Well Paul,

Because being short on facts does not give anyone the right to claim that the car is NOT 885017, right? This is all I try to achieve. I am fine when someone posts, that there have not been any evidence so far, that the car is an outside bonnet latch car and the real 885017. And that any potential buyer should check them carefully before commiting to anything. This you should do on any car, where its originality is part of the price you pay.

But read through the posts, there you must get the impression that the car is a fake. And on which basis? No one of you did ever visit the car and did also not insistantly asked for more details. But the experts.............
This is not the nice way!

Just consider this; you are the owner of such a car and others without any facts write, that this car is not original? What would you say? Do you own an E-Type? Maybe a Series 1? How would you feel if someone posts that your car is not original. That it is a Series II, which was converted or beetle, which was pimped up. or one of the bad reproductions. At early E-Types this is even more important, in particular when it comes to the question, if the car is an outside bonnet latch car or not. And due to the rarity even worse when the question is on a coupe.

But you and noone else have the right to try to force that someone posts evidences. This is the same with any law case. You are innocent as long as it cannot be proved that you are guilty (well not you personally).

Last point, why are the experts other than Mike himself are not also challenging the originality of 885008, 885009, 885013 and 885018? Well maybe you could include even 885004. I have not seen anything on these cars, which would prove it. If you would treat them in the same way, than you definitely would not even need to question the originality of these cars but also claim, that they are not original!

So long!

Martin

2011-01-30 13:09:17 | Stefan writes:

Regarding title date - I am the seller of 875268 and the title date is 63. Maybe it was simply a mistake or someone wanted to make the car younger, when this still made a difference when selling.

Same with 875209, also listed to have title date 63!

2011-02-01 20:50:42 | Mike Mueller writes:

Wow this is really getting crazy. I placed a deposit on this car approx 1 month ago with the purchase of the car contigent upon inspection by myself. Having now been told that the car is not for sale even though1. the car has been listed for sale for 3 years 2. I have a signed contract. Hopefully I will be allowed to inspect the car next week when I am in Zurich.. Regarding the other statements referring to cars that I own, you are more than welcome to view these car at my ranch and you can tell me if they are real or not. Mike Mueller .

2011-02-02 13:43:15 | Martin writes:

Aha, this sounds very much that the "legitimate experts in early FHCs have all agreed that the car at the dealer is almost certainly not 885017".

And we are not talking about any expert, we are talking about THE expert, if I may name him as such......

2011-02-05 09:34:05 | mike mueller writes:

Martin the fact that I placed a deposit on the this car by no means indicates its authenticity or claim as being 885017 . However it is suspicious that the car is no longer for sale and this occured after I placed a deposit on the car. Do you own 885017?

2011-02-11 13:32:06 | Herman writes:

I was the one who informed XKE Data that the seller no loner claimed it was 885017.
I think we must keep it simple, if you claim that you are n possession of a very early E-type (certainly when it is a "outside locks" car) yoy have something to proof...
You can do this by supplying pictures of the front frame member with the chassis number (possible backed up with the engine and gearbox number) in combination of the chassis plate, teh JDHT certificate or first title date.
The seller of this particular car didn't want to do this, so I think it's correct that the car is removed from XKE Data.
The "deposit" experience of Mike Mueller also showed it was the right thing to do...

2011-02-13 18:00:21 | Stefan writes:

Hello Mike,

No, Martin does not and did not own 885017. I finally managed now to purchase the car directly from the former possessor (not the dealer). The former owner got aware of this discussion here and realized that the car must be something special. He investigated and intended to bring the car back to its original condition to achieve a higher sales price. He was dreaming of a price tag above 100k. So he withdrew it from the dealer. Thank god I managed to keep the price in the dealer’s former price range - luckily.

I did not know, that you were interested and intending to buy the car. But according to your post it seems that you were anyhow not sure of its authenticity and you seem to follow the others in expressing that something potentially could not have been correct with the car. But if you have any doubts, I am happy to provide you with all details on a personal basis. This just might take still a little bit.

@all

Regarding all the other posts here, if you think, the car is not original and not 885017, well then go on. I do not care! I would have loved to voluntarily post every detail of the car at this forum (which I thought the forum would be there for), but I do not let myself be forced to do so. If you guys would have really wanted to find out the authenticity of this car, all of you could have invested around 1000 – 1500 US$ for a trip over to the dealer. You did not and just were able to sit in you chairs somewhere far away, demanding information or pictures you obviously did not receive. And this must have been the reason to declare without evidence that the car is not 885017?! Even worse telling lies that the dealer does not claim anymore this car to be the one. Well I called the dealer up after this statement appeared here and he did not know anything about this and was still claiming that the car is 885017 even if it was not for sale anymore. So no reason for the dealer to go on with false facts, if this was the case.

Just a few small words regarding what has happened here. There is a fine but very important difference between doubting something and making official statements without having evidence in hand, that something is or is not what it is claimed to be or someone has or has not done, he or she is accused of. Everyone is innocent as long as no evidence has been found to prove its guilt and the same counts for this and every other car. This is one of the main principles of the US, Europe and most parts of the world. Only totalitarian regimes contravene this principle, well an obviously you. How would you feel if I run around in your neighborhood and without any evidence spread some untrue stories about you, about your profession, about your cars or something else. It would follow the same rules.

The car deserves the last few words. I am owning E-Types since I am 20 and this is now almost 20 years. Well the car has been badly restored in regard of originality. It has a new bonnet, a wrong windscreen washer bottle, the wrong interior and exterior colors, the dash top and of course the loudspeakers – they are really awful. But the rest is incredibly original. The car has matching numbers throughout (which alone is really rare), it carries the early bonnet stops, which were discontinued soon after the first 500 cars. The picture frame carries the correct number and the data plate as well as the VIN plate on the bulkhead is original. Plus I spoke to Mr. Dönni regarding this car. He is the person who restored 885005 and he saw the car a while ago but could remember it quite well. He is 100% convinced of its authenticity (he especially quoted that he can identify if a data plate is original or not and he said that the one from 885017 is definitely original). So not all legitimate experts in early FHCs did agree that the car is certainly not 885017!

Going forward I will exhibit the car at some events but mainly or only here in Europe. But I am not sure if I will post photos or any other detail here anymore.

So long

Stefan

2011-02-14 06:06:40 | Herman writes:

Big words, Stefan... we are even members of a "totalitarian regime" if we only dare to put some questions about the authenticity of this white E-type... but again only words... no proof at all, and you are not willing to so in the future... we apparent have insulted you...
No one here have ever said that this car is "certainly not 885017", we only want some proof because a "outside bonnet locks" FHC is very rare, expensive and historical important specimen of the E-type pedigree.
If you don't wanna give some evidence to support your claim, you probably have something to hide... So long Stefan...

2011-02-14 10:32:07 | Pekka T. writes:

Hi Stefan,

Well I am glad you could make it happen. If you feel that you don't want to share something then don't. But to really put an end to this puzzle that has already lasted many years you could easily upload two pics: the original dataplate and a JDT certificate. I personally would appreciate if you add the original colours, as although I have no special personal interest in the OBL coupes, I like to put things together, like that advert in the New Yorker, or again some pictures regarding the E-type's launch 50 years ago, and some B&W film in the 75 years video Jaguar released last year with the new XJ. I will put something out about it at Jag-lovers, as I do not know much about those cars, but hope to avoid errors like 860019 vs. 885019. The film shows a metallic OBL FHC at a show, but not Geneva, nor New York, I suspect Paris (based on peoples clothing and looks) but I do not know, I think someone may know, or someone at JDT could find out.

I have only had E-types as a hobby for 15 years and I was 26 when I bought mine in Germany. I was planning on going to see this one in 2009, but could not make it happen, as we did 6000km with our XJ6C (2J50041DN) already in less than two weeks. Had I been alone i would have driven there (Singen) and to Georg's place. Cheers!

2011-02-14 12:21:56 | Herman writes:

Hello Pekka,

There are two "motor show E-types" in the "75 years" video. The first showed is 885005 during the 1961 Geneva Motor Show, and the second, is in my opinion" really filmed during the 1961 New York Motor Show, it got the "USA specification", whitewall tires and white/white sideflasher lamp, it must be the bronze 885004 FHC

2011-02-14 18:52:30 | Lionel writes:

Hello to all,

One of the early coupes seems to be RHD. It is a fantastic clip - wonderful

Lionel

2011-02-15 07:50:25 | Pekka T. writes:

Hi,
yes, I thought so too, but a closer look as those frames would seem to indicate that the film was flipped for some reason (artistic or mistake?) and the car in fact would be LHD. In the background the parts of "FIAT" and "PORSCHE" names are mirrored.

Also 850003 "77 RW" seen there from the top, and in other PR photos of the era show it wearing wide whitewalls, like many cars used for marketing did in those days.

I have many opinions too, but now I will try to gather some more information on those cars in order to avoid more mistakes.

I will post all I have on those onto Jag-Lovers.org E-type forum. Cheers!

2011-02-17 20:55:23 | mike mueller writes:

Martin I did look at the car Monday night Feb 7 2011 at approx 1730 with Fabio Casoni owner of 875153. Mike Mueller

2011-02-18 12:16:29 | mike mueller writes:

Stefan look at the block again it is not a matching nos car it has a block from nov 1962 R 93xx-9 in it.. Just to keep the story straight. Mike

2011-02-18 12:55:56 | Martin writes:

Hi Mike, But the rest of the car is original, right? So this is 885017? Just for the protocol........ Thanks Martin

2011-02-18 15:44:34 | Herman writes:

Hello Mike, was this the car that was for sale at Auto Salon Singen for several years ? and is it to your opinion 885017 ?

2011-02-20 02:25:23 | Lionel writes:

Looks like, that Mike implicitely confirmed the correctness of this car beside the matching numbers fact. So promotion to authenticity but deduction for wrong motor block. If in this case the price wasn't too high? The dealer's call was 82.500,- Euros right? A real lot of money...... Lionel

2011-02-23 11:17:05 | Herman writes:

Somebody posted 3 stills from the "75 years Jaguar film, offical title, A Future build on the Past" by car 885006, the "Paris Motor Show car", and gave the right answer... this car is NOT "885005", the "Geneva Motor Show Car. (885005 was showed inside the restaurant of the Parc des Eaux Vives during the press introduction, where it was hidden in a cardboard box before presentation, on the pictures from this event you can see the cardboard under the car. By the way... the most pictures you see from this press presentation usally showed "885002, 9600 HP, outside the restaurant in the park. The next day 885005 ws showed on the Jaguar stand in the show hall of the 1961 Geneva Motor Show, there it stood on a carpet.) The first clip (and the 3 extracted stills) in the film showed the presentation of the E-type in Hotel Metropole in Monte Carlo in 1961, this must be 885006. The second clip showed "885004" on a revolving platform at the 1961 New York Motor Show (indeed it is flipped...) And... there is a third, white, RHD FHC on a motor show in this film (in colour, man and wife step inside...) , it is not a early E-type however (no outside bonnet locks, and silver coloured headlight scoops (early E-types had body coloured scoops ) Probability on a British motor show, 1962 ? 1963 ? anyone a idea ?

2011-03-01 04:00:22 | Pekka T. writes:

Hi Herman! That would be me. The whole story is on Jag-Lovers.org E-type forum and there is a Photo Album related to it there. I was not sure about the location for the film of 885004, but was pretty sure the film was flipped, as there were so few RHD OBL coupes made and none were used with wide whitewalls for any motor shows AFAIK. Some fellow enthusiasts made god comments there that helped it all make sense and Georg Dönni gave the detailed information about the restaurants, hotels and halls related to the Geneva launch and the even at Monte Carlo, thanks everyone! Lets hope we can get more verified (JHT) information about the original colours and more contemporary pictures. I have no idea about which car and where that later film with the Cream RHD FHC was shot. UK most likely, but no clues. Cheers!

2011-08-07 07:14:51 | Stefan writes:

Uploaded pictures show car on his first real trip to Silverstone after purchase and extensive engine work.

Unfortunately engine consumes 4 litres per 1000km after full engine overhaul costing plus 10.000.- € and leaking a bit.
Reasons:
1.) The piston rings for oil do not have enough tension. Pistons came from high quality German pistons manufacturer, which is also supplying many German car manufacturer. Now car is back in garage waiting for clarification how to proceed
2.) Small tiny crack in oil sump caused leakage. Crack is almost invisible therefore not identified at engine overhaul. Will be professionally welded from inside.

Beside this, car is performing quite well. It has some imperfections but is basically very nicely restored. Waits now for me to financially to recover to finance recreation of outside locks, welded in louvers, etc.

Car number on picture frame as well as body tag on plate and after two repaints (first did not meet orange colour) of cyclinder head also engine number on head visible but through some layers of paint not anymore clearly defined contours.

Considering to remove paint on picture frame at number location on body tag as well as potentially on head to better exhibite numbers. We will see....

Regards

Stefan

2012-02-29 07:43:49 | Pekka T. writes:

Hi Stefan, thanks for the cool pictures and filling in the missing information. I wonder if you will try to source an OBL bonnet, after all they were more common on the OTS's. Cheers!

2012-02-29 14:40:02 | Stefan writes:

Hi Pekka,

Yes in deed - I will either try to source one bonnet, which might be very very difficult or just try to find a welded louvers bonnet and convert to OBL. Or last and potentially most probably alternative is to convert the current bonnet.
I have all parts ready for installation, even made some metal sheets where the latches are screwed on, do have old welded louvers, but also some louvers cut out from other bonnets, one pair of prepared louvers, have the correct screws, etc. and would also spot weld the brakets for the inside wings.

But currently time, money (if I would not do it on my own) and space missing due to my other E-Type project, work and potential house purchase, etc (like removing the tubes from the typres - with the current Pirellis it is explicitely not allowed to drive tubes, a new radiator for my other E-Type). But will do as soon as possible to have finally my OBL FHC, I was looking for and dreaming of since I could walk.

I would then also consider a change back to the original regulator RB 310 (for the generator). The original wholes are there and pictures will follow.... As well as the very rare tank sump - it is an absolut flat type, which is described in Haddock's original guide to be of "prototype" cars, which I do not believe 885017 is. But it is very interesting.

Other information will follow.....

Thanks

Stefan

2013-01-02 03:52:12 | E-type Willem writes:

Stefan,

I have a '62 E-type on which the LH front fender is replaced with an OSB one. Obviously it doesn´t fit very well. Contact me by PM on Jaglovers, the e-type section (look for Willem) if this might be of intrest to you.

2013-01-03 16:01:45 | Stefan writes:

Hi Willem,

Thanks a lot for your comment. I have contacted you via e-mail.
Regards

Stefan

2014-01-30 04:50:49 | Pekka T. writes:

Hi Stefan,

So did you get an OBL bonnet yet? I could see you have the screws and washers for the catch on the RH side next to the number plate, the "Made In England" tag also appears to have many layers of paint! I think they were used back then only on cars exported to the US. I could not see the LH side, but I bet they are there too, so all you need is a bonnet and the catches. Take care!

2015-08-26 13:22:35 | pauls writes:

Car now offered at:
www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/jaguar/e-type/1767894.html

Sellers description:
Location: Frankfurt, , GERMANY
VIN #: 885017
Trans: Manual
Condition: Excellent
Exterior: Cream
Interior: Black Leather

1961 Outside bonnet latch Jaguar E-Type FHC

One of only 24 built, one of 22 potentially still existing:
885001-885020 (20 lhd FHC - but 885001 was scrapped by Jaguar and 885007 was reportedly destroyed in a fire in 1965)
860001-860004 (4 rhd FHC)
Today only 15 Jaguar E-Type FHC outside bonnet latch (OSBL) cars are known. It is no. 885017 - orginally cream with red hide. The car is original - e.g. proven through the original VIN plate (in nice patinated condition, which is very rare. Either they are replaced (new repro item) or corroded).

885017 has been restored in 1999 / 2000 and is currently in a good condition - but not show. I drive the car, keep it technically maintained and will also challenge the car once to see, if it achieves the 150 mph. However the car currently features a non-OSB bonnet as well as a black instead of a red leather interior (Flatfloor bonnet aquired - requiring a lot of work, but is saveable and needs to be converted to outside bonnet locks (all parts existing)) . Also the car stands on 6" S3 wheels with 205/70 WR 15 from Pirelli. In 2011 the car received a comprehensive engine overhaul inkl. new liners, high-quality pistons and everything required to do a proper job.

The car is supposed to be driven. I simply don't like these "do not touch" show cars without character and life (even if I do not know the history of this car before 2000). And it will receive step by step the right wheels (1 original painted Dunlop "Made in England" set already acquired plus one set to be painted black), a bonnet conversion, a new header tank made in brass, a new, original looking radiator, an oil-cooler and if I will get hands on, a patinated original red interior

The car features many original details, which will be communicated at enquiry. E.g. the car has the original VIN plate, the original body tag, it is the original body, the head and gearbox is matching. Only the block was exchanged at one point of time.

The car is located in Germany around the Frankfurt area. Exchange with outside bonnet latch roadster - in any condition - plus surplus is potentially possible

Price offers are welcome

Price: $1,100,000 negotiable

2015-09-23 19:48:05 | xke7 writes:

www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/jaguar/e-type/1767894.html

Location:Frankfurt, , GERMANYVIN #:885017Trans:ManualCondition:ExcellentExterior:CreamInterior:Black Leather
Description:
1961 Outside bonnet latch Jaguar E-Type FHC

One of only 24 built, one of 22 potentially still existing:
885001-885020 (20 lhd FHC - but 885001 was scrapped by Jaguar and 885007 was reportedly destroyed in a fire in 1965)
860001-860004 (4 rhd FHC)
Today only 15 Jaguar E-Type FHC outside bonnet latch (OSBL) cars are known. It is no. 885017 - orginally cream with red hide. The car is original - e.g. proven through the original VIN plate (in nice patinated condition, which is very rare. Either they are replaced (new repro item) or corroded).

A US collector has recently sold 3 of his 4 early FHC OSB in his possession. Two, 885013 and 885018 will be restored and then auctioned. Estimated price range from the auctioneers 1 - 1.7 mio. US$ each. The source of this information: JAguar E-Type Club magazine Feb. 2015.

E-Types Series 1 are icons, the pre-series outside bonnet locks sought-after but the FHC outside bonnet locks are rare as hen's teeth.

885017 has been restored in 1999 / 2000 and is currently in a good condition - but not show. I drive the car, keep it technically maintained and will also challenge the car once to see, if it achieves the 150 mph. However the car currently features a non-OSB bonnet as well as a black instead of a red leather interior (Flatfloor bonnet aquired - requiring a lot of work, but is saveable and needs to be converted to outside bonnet locks (all parts existing)) . Also the car stands on 6" S3 wheels with 205/70 WR 15 from Pirelli. In 2011 the car received a comprehensive engine overhaul inkl. new liners, high-quality pistons and everything required to do a proper job.

The car is supposed to be driven. I simply don't like these "do not touch" show cars without character and life (even if I do not know the history of this car before 2000). And it will receive step by step the right wheels (1 original painted Dunlop "Made in England" set already acquired plus one set to be painted black), a bonnet conversion, a new header tank made in brass, a new, original looking radiator, an oil-cooler and if I will get hands on, a patinated original red interior

The car features many original details, which will be communicated at enquiry. E.g. the car has the original VIN plate, the original body tag, it is the original body, the head and gearbox is matching. Only the block was exchanged at one point of time.

The car is located in Germany around the Frankfurt area. Exchange with outside bonnet latch roadster - in any condition - plus surplus is potentially possible



Price offers are welcome

Price: $950,000 negotiable

2022-08-02 14:07:51 | Anonymous writes:

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Jaguar E-Type

666.000 €


Technische Daten

Preis

666.000 €

Kategorie

Sportwagen / Coupé

Kilometerstand

100.000 km

Leistung

154 kW (209 PS)

Kraftstoffart

Benzin

Anzahl der Türen

2/3

Erstzulassung

09/1961

Farbe

Weiß

Innenausstattung

Teilleder, Schwarz


Fahrzeugbeschreibung laut Anbieter

Originales Outside Bonnet Latch Coupe (FHC)


Org.: 1 von 24 gebauten Outside Bonnet Latch (OBL) FHC (Coupés) - - > es gab ursprünglich 24 Stk


Org. Cream / rot: aktuell Cream / schwarz


Generell: wenn Sie sich für solch einen seltenen Wagen interessieren, erkundigen Sie sich bitte, welche Details einen Wagen authentifizieren und was seinen Wert ausmacht und was seinen Wert mindert.


Generelle Informationen:


- Es gab 20 linksgelenkte (LHD) OBL Coupés (Fgst.-Nr.: 885001 - 885020)


- & 4 rechtsgelenkte (RHD) OBL Coupés (Fgst.-Nr.: 860001 - 860004)



Heute bekannt:


- 12 LHD Coupés


- 4 RHD Coupés


- 2 LHD Coupés wurden vom Werk zerstört:


885001


885007 nach Brand



HISTORIE LHD Coupés:


- 885001 s.o.


- 885002 (9600 HP) Vorführ-/ Testfzg & meist fotografierter Wagen, Gunmetal / schwarz, seit Ende 1961 umgebaut auf RHD & heute Besitz von Philipp Porter


- 885003 1961 New York Show cars: British Racing Green / beige


- 885004 New York Show car: Opalescent bronze, rot


- 885005 das Genf-Ausstellungsfahrzeug: Gunmetal / beige


- 885006 - Verbleib unbekannt


- 885007 - s. o.


- 885008 - erstes privat verkauftes Vorserien-FHC (die anderen waren Ausstellungsfahrzeuge): Gunmetal / rot, restauriert, Motor aus 885003, ehemals M. Mueller


- 885009 - ehemals Dragster. Mit originalem Motor restauriert & in Besitz von den Robertsons, Opalescent dunkelblau / dunkelblau, ehemals M. Mueller


- 885010 - ehemals Ausstellungsfahrzeug Kanada, restauriert, Cream / dunkelblau, Zylinderkopf nicht matching


- 885011 - seit 1961 in Familienbesitz, sehr original, unreatauriert, Cream / rot, aktueller Ort: vermutlich USA / Californien


- 885013 - sehr aufwendig restauriert von Classic Jaguar, Austin - Texas, www.classicjaguar.com/cj/885013.html, Opalescent dunkelblau / beige & sollte immer noch im Peterson Museum in LA sein: www.youtube.com/watch, ehemals M. Mueller


- 885017 (Mein Auto): Cream / innen rot, ausgeliefert 1961, von 1972 bis 1988 im Besitz eines Studenten/ Berufsanfängers (in der Zwischenzeit außen dunkelbraun), 1988 verkauft an einen Händler im Rollstuhl mit der Intention, den Wagen nach Europa zu verkaufen, Restaurierung ab 1998 bis 2001, Wiederinbetriebnahme März 2001, Besitz Salzburger Anwalt, Verkauf 2003/2004, ab 2008 im Angebot eines renommierten Händlers am Bodensee, Jan. 2011 Kauf von Privat durch mich. Noch nicht auf die frühe OBL Haube umgebaut. Innen schwarz, anstatt rot


- 885018: für über 400.000 US$ restauriert, fertiggestellt 2018, Gunmetal / rot, ehemals M. Mueller


- 885020: restauriert von Classic Jaguar in Austin Texas Ende der 2000 Jahren: www.classicjaguar.com/cj/885020.html, Opalescent dunkelblau / hellblau/grau, im Besitz eines Belgiers


Mein Wagen:


- Natürlich existiert ein Heritage Certificate, sowie noch einem Foto des letzten Titles


- sehr schön patiniertes Auto


- sehr viele Originalteile vorhanden, die diesen Wagen einzigartig machen


- original Lichtmaschine (nur die ersten 500 Autos)


- original Lima-Regler RB 310, 37304 (Typenbezeichnung stimmt auch!). Irgendeinen RB. 310 reicht nicht


- original, früher Scheibenwischermotor 12-60


- Sitze früh (steil & Cabrioform) & Sitzschienen früh (kürzer, 5 Arretierungsstufen statt später 7 & andere Hebelprägung)


- Früher Drehzahlmesser - super selten & schwer zu finden


- Org. Scheiben rundum (unglaublich selten)


- Org. matching Zylinderkopf und Getriebe (Block wurde irgendwann mal getauscht)


- Frühe Pedal Box


- Org Motorhaubenmittelteil & Kotflügel von einem OBL, mit abgebohrten Louvers (originaler Ersatz vorhanden) bzw. Brackets für die Außenhaubenmechanik (Nachbau vorhanden)


- Org VIN plate (Datenplatte: neben originalem Motor, Getriebe, Bodynummer, & Fgst.-Nr. auf dem vorderen Querrahmen sehr wichtig für die Authentizität)


- Org Bodynummer-Plate


- Org Set an Dokumenten: Betriebsanleitung, Abschmierplan, Garantiekarte, Liste der Jaguar Serive Centers und Händler, uvm


- Org Wagenheber (Shelley - kein Nach- Umbau)


- Org Werkzeugrolle - alle Werkzeuge org


- uvm.


Aktuell innen schwarz & die Haube muss auf OBL umgebaut werden (ist aber ein originaler OBL und ich habe alle Teile!)


Sehr sehr seltenes Auto...


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2022-08-03 16:12:16 | Stefan writes:

I put my car for sale as I wanted to put something against the reappeared fake #13. The guy comes up with very few but mostly false statements (17 OBL FHC existing/ever produced / one was recently supposedly sold for 1.3 Million (not that I am aware of)).

That's why I listed the history of all LHD FHC emphasizing #13 with its restoration at Classic Jaguar and current whereabouts at the Peterson museum (check YouTube)...

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